Saturday, October 24, 2009

Would relaxing gun laws in Britain leave us in the same situation as the U S?

or would it have a good effect on society
also would it help prevent gang members carrying guns if other innocent people could carry them
Answer:
why would you want to own a gun anyway!?
I don't think anyone should be allowed a gun except the police and only if they make sure they've got the right guy/girl before they start shooting
USA - everyone has guns - over 15000 homicides by shooting per year.

UK - strict gun control - less than 100 homicides by shooting per year.

Do the maths and draw your own conclusions.

EDIT: UK has one fifth the population of USA - 60 million compared to USA's 300 million. Scale that up and you would expect 500 gun homicides per year in the USA, not 15000.

Switzerland, 7.5 million population, one eighth of UK, yet similar gun homicides.

Over to you, massacre - get your calculator out.
Hey mate I have a concealed fire arm permit and im american anything that i can hide in my clothes is legal for me. the 2nd amendment is the best. and for you british people i dont know about ur issues cus i dont care mate. I do know that in america if someone wants to rob you or such they always think hard before they do the act on chance of getting killed.

and for the guy above me the uk has only 1 15th of the population weapons are almost at a banned point and also only 45 percent of the american populus owns a fire ams so around 145 million. You do your math buddy!
Yes, yes.... and yes.

Mr Scept has it cockon... notice how all these countries which have little to no gun control CANNOT control the gun violence.

The 2nd amendment to the American COnstitution is outdated and antiquated, its foolish to think that you owning a gun makes you more protected, because surely most robbers now carry guns.... so its all a gun fight...

I'd like a gun, but for me to own it i have to go through various rigerous testings...

Profile check
Address
Police check
A proper gun holding case
An inspector to check the case
and assuming that's all good (after waiting 6 months and spending about 2000 quid,)

You can buy a gun..

Rock on Britain, always having to show the world the way.
the thought of anyone being able to have a gun terrifies me i knew of a bloke once who had a liecence and he was totaly nuts he did eventualy have it revoked lotts of people who wouldnt be deemed suitable would able to have one no not a good idea
Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):


4161 - US
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
9927 - England and Wales

Thus the US has a substantially lower crime rate than the major European countries!

Here are the Interpol 1995 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):


5278 - US
8179 - Germany
6316 - France
7206 - England %26 Wales


It's horrible that people put these "so called" statistics on here with no source. Becareful what you believe.

There is no proof to the argument that crime will decrease with laws against citizens owning guns. In fact it is just the opposite. Most crimes occur with stolen weapons anyway. There's no reason "big government" should take away my gun. Educate yourself or don't speak of something you know nothing of.

Kennesaw is a city in Cobb County, Georgia, United States. Kennesaw has the nickname of "Gun Town, USA" due to a city ordinance passed in 1982 that requires every head of household to maintain a firearm with ammunition. Criminologist Gary Kleck attributes a drop of 89% in the residential burglary rate to the law and Kennesaw is often cited by advocates of gun ownership as evidence that gun ownership deters crime (see, for instance, this 2004 sheet of talking points from the Gun Owners Foundation. http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm......
Mr Sceptic forgot to tell you:

UK - strict gun control - less than 100 homicides by shooting per year

Switzerland - everyone has guns - less than 100 homicides by shooting per year

You do the math!
this kind of random violence is strictly a problem isolated to the United States. You see how many people this guy killed with just blind rage?? And people dont understand that he wasnt really thinking about periferal aspects of what he was doing. Had there been an accurate response he wouldve been left open and vulnerable. If these people that do this ever see a window from their rage where they get precision of cunning I shudder to think how many people will die and how far these things can really go.
You grazed the solution to keep Britain clear of the trouble we have here in America. The problem is that we are making it too hard for law abiding citizens to get guns while espousing that guns are bad. What we and you should do is make it easy for regular law abiding citizens to get guns, because the bad ones will already have them. We need to teach, and practice what we teach, that shooting in self defense or in the defense of others will not be punishable by law (after it's prov-en). If we let the good guys lose with guns, we'd have fewer bad guys with out limps.
Even the US has gun laws that vary state to state. My personal belief is that either everyone gets to own a gun or nobody gets to own a gun. The problem with the US is that we try to dictate who can carry a gun. Personally, I don't believe in allowing the average person to have a handgun. I see nothing wrong with a rifle or a shotgun for either hunting or home defense. That said, because we allow some people to have guns, EVERYONE should be entitled to have and carry a gun. In England, NOBODY is allowed to have a gun. So that is why your laws work for you. If we were to ban guns tomorrow, there are millions of pieces of firearms out there that could never be collected. Only innocent people would get hurt, not the criminals who get their guns on the black market anyways.
wow.............now I am worried, I hope and pray that the bulk of you folks never get to make any laws for me to live by. and for the record, ity appears that the actor in the VT shooting was not from America, it appears that yet another foriegnor bitthe hand that tried to help him, makes ya wonder, is it worth it?
I was very suprised to read all the stats' in your answers, I always accepted that Britain was way down on the list of killings by shooting, so these figures are a complete eye opener.
I would have always have said 'no arms but arm the police'!
Now I'm not at all sure. It's simple to get a gun in the UK and it's almost untraceable, at least in the USA they are almost all on file and can be traced, so really I still dont know.
May be Kenneth B. arguments sound good.

About what Shirl wrote.

I have found other statistical survey that take account of VIOLENT crimes. USA is much more a violent country than any Western Europe country (http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php... and others).

Weapons are of few (if any) use against non-violent crimes
it would make no difference.you can buy a gun here no problem.ask the government how these people are getting all these weapons into england in the first place.they have not got a clue.

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